At what age can a puppy come home?

Sasha'sMom

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My breeder who I have a depoist down on for Sasha is letting puppies go home on the 20th of this month. but the litter was born on 8-9-2009 isn't that too early? I know in small breeds a good breeder keeps the puppies til ten weeks due to low sugar type issues. my state law says eight weeks and up, but she's insisting that they are okay at almost 6 weeks old? If I've done my math right. Should I walk? and find a better breeder?


Angel
 
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Being separated from the mother and her siblings that early isnt a good way to get off to a good start. Any reputable breeder would insist that he pups be kept for a minimum of 8 weeks. Obviously, this one doesnt fall into the reputable category. I'd say see ya...
 
It is a red flag!!!!

I like 10 weeks personally, but 8 is fine and yes, by law they should be 8 weeks. Sometimes they fudge the paperwork on the date they were born.

It's up to you what you want to do. It is best if they are with mom and litter mates for a longer time, it helps them learn things that are important.

I have a feeling you don't want to say 'give me my deposit back' and that the chances are you will take the puppy home. Just know that it's not the 'reputable' way to do things.
 
Actually I told her no.

I've been on the phone with her and she will not hold the puppies til old enough to go and she ships them by air at that age. NO I will not suport a greeder. So I'm on the hunt again. She's returning all my money by Paypal except $50. that was the depoist. I'm kinda of pissed at myself for this and very ticked at her. She's a AKC breeder isn't that against the rules?

Angel
 
Be sure and also ask if the puppy's parents have been health tested.
If you're interested I can put your name out on another list I'm a member of if I know what you're looking for and it sounds like you're willing to ship. Where do you live in case there's someone close to you?
 
pm sent.

I'm in WV ,Bluefield actually about three hours or so from Huntington,WV and an hour to two from Winstein-Salem,NC. I've got all the time in the world, I will not go and just grab something. Thu I'm kinda of got puppytis. LOL I'm not a fan of the all blond puppies is my only thing. but if I did find one that has a good oh heck great tempterment and is a click whats in a color.


Angel
 
I've been on the phone with her and she will not hold the puppies til old enough to go and she ships them by air at that age. NO I will not suport a greeder. So I'm on the hunt again. She's returning all my money by Paypal except $50. that was the depoist. I'm kinda of pissed at myself for this and very ticked at her. She's a AKC breeder isn't that against the rules?

Angel

Here's the official statement from the AKC about their relationship with breeders of purebred dogs:

AKC said:
AKC is not affiliated with and does not license or endorse any breeders, including those listed on this site. AKC has no control over their business practices and is not liable for any dealings between you and any breeders. AKC does not sell dogs and makes no warranty or guarantee as to the health, quality, parentage or any value of any dogs. The AKC accepts no responsibility for any transaction between seller and buyer. These listings are provided as a service to the public.

The sires and dams listed on this site are registered with AKC, as are the litters. Individual puppies of these AKC-registered litters, therefore, are eligible to be registered with AKC, subject to compliance with existing AKC Rules, Regulations, Policies and the submission of a properly completed registration application and fee. AKC registration does not indicate the health, quality or value of a dog. AKC registration simply identifies the dog as offspring of a known registered sire and dam.

This quote can be found here:

http://www.akc.org/classified/search/index.cfm

Unfortunately, the public often assume, and very incorrectly, that the AKC is like a huge corporation to promote puppy production as an industry.

The AKC is a club of member clubs, the parent clubs of recognized breeds and clubs which organize and hold events where judging of the various breeds proper physical capabilities, as described in the breeds standard, are indeed proven to be present in individual animals. These activities and events take many forms; the traditional dog shows, obedience and agility trials, lure coursing, earthdog trials, field trials, herding tests, etc. Some activities are open to all breeds and some are limited to a specific subset of recognized breeds.

They DO inspect the grounds and records kept by those breeders who register their litters and puppies through the AKC, but their most severe penalty which can be imposed is to suspend/revoke privileges of those who do not follow the prescribed rules in the AKC Regulations. Of course, if in the execution of an inspection, inhumane conditions are found, local authorities would be notified to pursue prosecution.

The AKC is a very great proponent of animal welfare, their most notable sub-organization is the AKC Canine Health Foundation, a five star charity, recognized around the globe:

http://www.akc.org/doghealth/index.cfm

Many people mistakenly confuse animal rights organizations; e.g. HSUS, PeTA, and even the ASPCA, as the champions of companion animals, when actually they appear to be pursuing an agenda to totally eliminate responsible hobby breeders and the ownership of pets.
 
That stinks for some reason I always thought AKC

was the creme de la creme for dogs. I'm finding out to my heartbreak that's not so any more. So they would not do or even say anything. That's not right but if they won't they won't. Anyway, I'm still looking. Man this is harder then I thought and I thought I asked all the right questions and had studied up. quess not enough.


Angel
 
Angel
Good luck in your search. I know that our forum members that show and breed our lovely cockers, both English (Mark) and American, (Robin, Gina, and Kelly) can sure give you some very wise advice. I would also go to local cocker shows, both agility and conformation, talk to the breeders there and see what cockers you like..

Cockers are just wonderful dogs. Finding the perfect one for you won't be hard. You were wise to let that pup go.
 
Woody was the first pet I ever got over the internet. Woody's breeder said 10 weeks is the minimum if there are children in the house, 8 weeks for people like my husband and myself with no children and no grandchildren in the area.

She sent me a list of questions and spoke to me twice before even taking a deposit for Woody. I called her first and we spoke for a while and she said she would send me pics of the litter that were left, a questionnaire to fill out and e-mail back and we could go from there. The second time I spoke to her she said that she checked out my references and would be happy to take my deposit because she felt Woody was going to a good, loving home.

I would be very leary of this breeder. Glad you are walking on this one. There is a special puppy out there just for you so have patience and he/she will arrive soon!
 
Really, 10 weeks is the best age, because the puppies learn a LOT from mom and siblings during the 7-10 week age period. They learn about bite inhibition, what's okay play and what's not, and more. 6 weeks is FAR too early, and I would be awfully cautious about any breeder that is encouraging puppy owners to take their dogs that young.
 
{{{Angel}}}
AKC is the creme de la creme of registries for dogs. They are the only ones that, like Mark said, do kennel inspections. I wouldn't have anything but an AKC dog. They just don't guarantee health, etc. That is the responsibility of the breeder and buyer. Most responsible breeders should guarantee their stock. I'm glad you found all of us to help you before you made a mistake and in my opinion you did the right thing of canceling your puppy. Do you know if she does any health testing on her breeding stock? That should be your first and foremost question for your next potential breeder. I don't know how much $ your willing to spend or did spend on Sasha but it may be more from a reputable breeder just so you know unless Sasha's breeder was greedy.
 
Does this "breeder" have a website? I'm kind of in a letter writing mood, and would like to share my opinion to her. :naughty:
 
Does this "breeder" have a website? I'm kind of in a letter writing mood, and would like to share my opinion to her. :naughty:

YES! Mike! That is so you! ^_^:lol::huggles:
 
Might try a rescue too. I've only adopted from rescues for the past 10 years I guess and they can frequently have puppers and with papers at a much lower price as well as being all spayed/neutered and such. You'd be saving a life too! I've only adopted twice from a breeder and I'll never do it again. You can get some darn nice dogs from rescue! :) Check out my blog to see the guys I've rescued since January last year.
 
was the creme de la creme for dogs. I'm finding out to my heartbreak that's not so any more. So they would not do or even say anything. That's not right but if they won't they won't. Anyway, I'm still looking. Man this is harder then I thought and I thought I asked all the right questions and had studied up. quess not enough.


Angel

I guess we see this issue quite differently. AKC is saying something.

They are saying that they promote animal welfare, overall health and the means to identify heritable problems in dogs, but they are not going to "play nanny" for every person that thinks it is their right to cuddle a new puppy without accepting the responsibility to look out for their own interests as consumers and those of the dog.

It's a door that swings in both directions. Just as there are irresponsible and substandard breeders of pet animals, there are dangerous kooks and people with twisted views of what is "proper" to expect when acquiring a companion animal.

Just recently, breeders of English Cockers became aware of a man in the Kansas City area, who asked "all the right questions" of a breeder on the west coast. Within 24 hours of receiving the young dog, he reported that it "ran away".

Our network of breeders and owners made a MUCH bigger effort of trying to locate the "runaway"; calling KC vets, animal control, placing ads in the newspaper, etc, while the new owner quickly made an effort to acquire another dog from another breeder.

What was discovered was that relatives of the man, who was described as suffering from PTSD, "liberated' the animals he acquired shortly after they made an appearance in his home.

Although he was mentally disturbed, he could present a very convincing facade of normalcy.

There are many ways to gauge whether a particular breeder is indeed responsible. There is virtually no way to really be certain that the prospective new owner is trustworthy and committed to the animals welfare for a lifetime.

Twice in over 25 years, I have reclaimed animals mistakenly put into the wrong hands. One of those times I drove over 600 miles round-trip in 14 hours and letters were exchanged between lawyers.

Someone becomes a victim when they allow themselves to be victimized. It's a sad state that this country has slid into thinking otherwise.

If only the H$U$, with income totaling more than $100 million a year (and without a single facility devoted to animal care), would invest some portion of that pot-o-gold in educating members of the public in proper animal care, low-cost spay/neuter clinics, promotion and support of no-kill rescue organizations, instead of funneling their fortune into the pockets of legislators to push (actually anti-) animal rights agendas.
 
I wouldn't mind knowing the name of the breeder (kennel) either ;)

Hmmmm.. someone (gee, who?) Should report her for selling underage pups.

Nice fine might get her to change her ways. Just because the mom isn't nursing the pups DOESN'T mean the pups are ready to go home. Just because they are eating mushed up Puppy Chow doesn't mean they are ready to leave their puppy pile. The babies going home to a place with no other dogs to teach them monkey see/monkey do are going to need lots of socialization, but alas, a puppy that young should never be in public or on the ground because they do not have the proper immunities yet.

Can you tell us the kennel name?
 
No kennel name that I know of .

But the breeders name is Freda Keen and I found her listed on puppy find for VA. She answered at first all my questions right, about cert and hips and such and now that she's got my money,she does admits that she does not have those done and is still willing to let the babies go that young. Sorry all, been looking for breeders adds and websites since this morning.


Please hold off on doing anything, she's supose to be meeting me tomorrow with my money. I paid $300. for the puppy and I agreed that $50. is the nonrefundable depoist. I'd like to get my money back before we do anything.


I curently with the $250. have $900. saved for a decent puppy. Around here thu a cocker puppy sells for $200.? with nothing. and no testing. and I refuse to go that route.

I'd go through a rescue in a heartbeat but I run a small cat rescue and need to watch for my rescues as well as any dog that comes into my home. So a older dog isn't truly an option, as it's something my husband and I talked over for a long time.

So after 2pm tomorrow, we can all call and report or whatever needs to be. but for now please let's wait. I'd like to put all of my savings towards a good pup.

Angel
 
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